Let’s Make This as Good as it Was Before

Let’s Make This as Good as it Was Before

First things first, I know the admins will want to close and unlist this topic as fast as possible, as well as ban me forever. With the new announcement, I guess they won’t do that, but they surely still want to. I shouldn’t need to say this, but before unlisting, please read it. Also, having discussion below would be nice.

Let’s Make This as Good as it Was Before.

I first joined the WFC in late 2020. At the time, the community was a welcoming place, with nice moderators, nice members and good discussion, and showed lots of potential. After a while of being active, I became a regular, and after that, a moderator. I was a moderator for more than a year, and the rest of the team was very pleasant during most of that period.

Then WFC 2.0 came along.

When WFC 2.0 was launched, I didn’t think anything of it. I thought it was just a general rebranding with a unique name. Then @Rolls, @PlanesAndGames and myself were fired for no apparent reason and without any warning. In the case of PlanesAndGames, he was hired temporarily for the summer break when Zac and Zack were gone, and stayed as a moderator for longer than expected. However, me and Rolls were permanent moderators, and both of us (or at least me) had no warning prior to being fired.

This was the beginning of what I’ll call “The WFC’s Downfall”.

The WFC’s Downfall

After being removed from moderator, I started to reflect about how the WFC wasn’t what it seemed like, and how much was actually wrong with it. With that reflection, a few key points were reached:

1. The overall treatment of users.

For this argument, I’ll use an example which happened to me, but I’ve seen this happen to other users. While I was a moderator, the admins were all very nice to me, being extremely welcoming. In the demotion letter and in every contact following that, the admins treated me like a total stranger, being extremely aggressive and unwelcoming. I was treated like garbage, as if I hadn’t volunteered to help them for over a year, despite having done so.

I also feel like the users aren’t really heard within this community. The new #ideas category might change that, but overall, it’s just a #features for topics and events, nothing exactly groundbreaking, and it also limits what a user can suggest.

Finally, there is the deletion of PMs from users. A while ago, I inquired with an admin about something, and he did not reply. When I asked about it again, the PM “disappeared” from my inbox. When I asked about that in another PM, the staff member answered with an answer which was so aggressive that if it was someone else they could’ve been warned. The staff member also closed the new PM, because that’s how discussions with admins work here. Normal conversation isn’t allowed, because when an admin says something, that opinion is the correct one and they aren’t open for discussion, literally, because they close the PM. This is extremely disrespectful to the users, and some could even leave the forum due to this kind of situation. This is strongly related to the second key point.

2. The double standards in moderation.

This title doesn’t need to be explained. This can be seen because there are cases of both overmoderation and undermoderation, which shouldn’t be possible.

  1. Undermoderation

We have a small tale about a “certain user”, you may know him, but we prefer to keep that private. He was obnoxious, and angered just about everybody in the forum, and felt like he could fight everyone and everything, if he didn’t agree (which wasn’t much anyway), with his comments always relating to a pop music artist doing something better than somebody else, as a general example, and being very combative, and aggressive. He always got into arguments with other people for the same reason, with chats being closed multiple times, due to his arguments. Guess how long it took the WFC mods to actually give a punishment that wasn’t as much as a slap on the wrist? 4 Months. And even after he’d made almost everybody his enemy, he only got a month in suspension time.

Now, this is just my personal opinion, but the user deserved a much longer ban, like a year, and with his 12 billion flags that followed wherever he decided to go, this would be reasonable. According to the Suspension Chart, the 4th violation of this type of issue would result in a one year ban, but he only got a one month ban after much more than 4 violations, and this long of a ban isn’t even an option in the Suspension Chart. I’ll go over the breakage of the Terms of Service and Suspension Chart on the overmoderation subtopic, but this is already a strong example.

As another example, we have another user. He happened to use an IP grabber link, which could be traced to a real life address, and could be very dangerous in terms of privacy. According to the Terms of Service “You may not submit content to the forum containing malicious computer code, such as computer viruses or spyware.” This should have resulted in a permanent ban immediately. Guess what happened to him? At the time, nothing. One admin even joked about the situation, which was considered inappropriate by some members (and they would happen to be correct). After a while, the user was banned, but it should’ve been immediate, without any second thoughts.

Overall, we can see a lot of undermoderation and reluctance from the mods to banning or, in fact, using any moderation tool on users when necessary, especially in safeguarding cases with physical locations involved.

  1. Overmoderation

This has been increasing a lot within the community recently. I feel like staff are deleting everything which could compromise the community’s status, which includes every single piece of criticism or anything which could be linked to something bad. From a business standpoint that’s fair, however, deleting all criticism is a bit extreme, and some criticism should still be allowed. For example, yesterday, while Off-Topic was gone, I created a topic asking where it was, and the topic was closed and deleted immediately. How bad would it have been to keep it open, or at the very least not unlisted? I understand there was something in Off-Topic which had to be deleted, however, this wasn’t related to that, it was just about the status of the topic. It feels like the admins were so ashamed of what happened in Off-Topic that they were afraid of keeping anything related to it visible.

Secondly, there is the deletion of bios. A while ago, I created a bio which stated my feelings about the community, but since criticism is not allowed, it was deleted. When I readded it, they deleted it as well. I’m currently on the third bio, which is more constructive than the other too, however, I feel like it’s just a matter of waiting until they notice it’s there, and after this topic, it’ll probably be deleted too.

Overall, staff moderate too little in some aspects, and too much in others.

3. The toxicity within the community.

This isn’t necessarily about the community itself, but more about the users. Some people within the community are anything but nice, and only interfere in the other’s experiences. Staff took care of some of those users recently, but that’s not everyone, and there are still toxic people here. I won’t elaborate further than that.

There’s still hope for this community, but only if it starts to steer on the correct path.

I would love to help to restructure this place, and know other users who’d want to help too. The new announcement is only a bunch of words put together until now. We need to see actual change. Actual movement from the users to make this place nicer. Less strict mods regarding criticism but also not reluctant to banning people. More activity from the mods in the community. It can be done, we just need everyone’s help.

Thanks for reading.

PS: Please don’t close this. Doing that will just prove that the new announcement is a bunch of words put together with no actual meaning.


Thanks for this feedback Gab, we’re looking at ways where we can improve, and this just shows how much we need to work to achieve what we had before


who is this?
i’m concerned

PM the name

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He was banned a few days later

Don’t worry about it

that’s the main problem


The name of that user will remain undisclosed.

Please do not be concerned. This happened over two months ago, and the user has since been deleted. I assure you that safety, security, and privacy are our utmost priorities.

@GBKarp - Thank you for sharing your opinions with us. Please allow me to reflect on your comments.

We (Admins and Moderators) never open a topic with the thought of “let’s suspend this user because of the topic’s connotation.” As a matter of fact, whether it seems that way or not, we do the opposite.

Admins? Or Admin?

I have not been aware of anything like that but will say that any “abolishment” of our users is unacceptable. If you’d like to share what happened, my inbox is open.

We can’t fix anything if we don’t start somewhere. We will continue to iterate on this in the near future.

There had to have been an underlying reason for this—we will never delete a message without reason. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding with the message’s meaning.

I kindly ask that you send me a PM detailing this issue so that I can look into it.

In this case, a one-month suspension was in accordance with our Suspension Chart (found in this topic) as different violations occurred at various times. I will look into making this clearer.

Regardless, we will not be discussing another user’s suspension.

Since I was the one who closed and unlisted both the off-topic topic and your topic, I will speak to this.

Off-topic was closed and unlisted because the mental health of one of our users was in jeopardy. I felt that it was in the forum’s best interest to remove the topic from the public eye until I figured out what happened and cleaned it up (I had previously been inactive due to personal issues earlier in the day).

Your topic was closed and unlisted because it would only exemplify the problem (i.e., making other users question what happened). I’m sorry that you disagree with it, but after dealing with these situations in the past, I believed it was best the course of action.

I’m not aware of this happening, but I trust it happened to you. If you choose to PM me regarding my previous points, and fill me on what occurred concerning this, I’d be happy to look into it.

We don’t review every post in every topic, so it’s a given that we may miss some things. In the future, if you see an issue with a post, flag it. We will take the appropriate action from there.

The latter has been number one on my list forever. I’ve since talked to Zac about letting moderators suspend people if necessary without a prior discussion.

The WFC is meant to be an enjoyable, fun, and relaxing space for all. We are not thrilled with how it’s been lately, and we are destined to change that.

Having said that, we do ask that you all understand the drawbacks of making split-second decisions. It’s not easy to manage a forum, especially when all hell breaks loose at times where our team isn’t around to manage it.

We will continue to share updates as they come. Thanks again for sharing, GB; we appreciate your help in making the WFC a better place!


What I joined I thought this place was the greatest forum ever, darn shame I joined when it was at its worst… From my short time here, I can agree with at least a few of your points from what I’ve observed, but I just haven’t been here long enough to see everything.

I’d love to see any change that could improve this place to how it once was though.


This topic has been taken as a point of action for the moderators, and we will be making sure all of these points are fixed, with the help of GBKarp himself. More info to come soon!


ooh nice


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