World Flying Community Off-Topic Discussion (Part 14)

99% chances of that happening

but not the same

so? still just a ripoff, like the ARJ-21, “nOoOoO, wE uSeD nOtHiNg fRoM tHe Md-80”

Crappy 717 ripoff lmfao

so you have any issue with understanding simple english?

why do you get mad when someone calls planes from your country bad/copied? like seriously get over with it

i get mad because the thing is not copied

Most countries have copied off of the US, UK, and Germany lol

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Look at both pics below:

To an novice (like me) who has little knowledge and interest in sports cars ,at very first glance it will be hard to differentiate between two, considering the fact there company logo is removed. But an keen follower of the same shall tell quite a lot of difference at the very first glance.

Same may happen when one looks at these folks:

When LCA and Mirage 2000 which are quite a formidable fighter in their own terms are vastly different from each other. We shall go one by one:

  • WINGS PLANFORM: Most common similarity as said by others but not exactly the same.
    • Mirage: Cropped Delta
    • LCA: Cropped Compound Delta
    • Inference: Pure Delta(Mirage:Cropped to reduce wing tip vortices to reduce drag same with LCA) has inherent problem of instability and low lift at slow speeds which compound delta addresses accordingly. It shall be discussed later in the answer.
  • Before going Further do have a look at the pic:

  • WING POSITION W.R.T FUSELAGE:
    • Mirage: Flat i.e 0* w.r.t to horizontol axis.

  • LCA: Anhedral

  • Inference: For Delta Wings Anhedral placement creates more lift, which further help to counter the lack of lift during slow speeds in tejas but thats not the case with Mirage, suffers lack of lift during slow speeds.
  • Extra LIFT AND PERFORMANCE INCREMENT DEVICES(Canards/LERX/Chine etc):
    • Mirage: Small strake on the intakes above wing.

  • LCA: Crank (Marked in pink and dihedrally placed)

  • Inference: Mirage doesnot have any Lift increment device, the strakes it uses it gives a littlehelp in maintaining airflow at high AOA but not very effective , unlike tejas whose dihedrally positioned forward swept crank helps it a lot to maintain lift at high angle of attack(AOA) by delaying flow separation above wings.
  • BLENDING WING : Look at wing- fuselage for junction both :
    • Mirage: The junction is clearly visible.
    • LCA: There is blending of juction between wing-fuselage.
    • Inference: Now this feature does two things-
      • Makes the fuselage self lift creating object.
      • Helps to reduce the RCS and add stealth to aircraft.
    • Mirage is in disadvantage in this one.
  • WING-LOADING : The lower the better. Lower wing loading is a key deciding factor about the maneuverability of aircraft. Lower wing-loading helps in better dogfight.
    • Mirage:337 kg/m²
    • LCA: 247 kg/m²

Now comes the most complex of all but rather ignored topic the INTAKES. The topic is scientifically very critical in deciding the performance of aircraft.

  • The position of inlet:
    • Mirage: Beside the fuselage.

  • LCA: Under and Behind wing.

  • Inference: Putting the inlet sidewise, creates airflow moving over the surface of the fuselage develops a turbulent boundary layer, and ingesting this turbulent boundary layer into the engines may causes problems in the compressors if not it adds to drag. Also at high AOA this position of inlets does not ensure a good performance but in case of tejas the position of inlet behind wind ensures a considerable of amount of air supply to engine at high AOA which is not in case of Mirage.

  • Type of Intake:Further the intakes of Mirage are old gen intake comprising inlet cone but which doesnot helps to guard the compressor RCS, but Tejas uses Y-Duct intake that curtails the compressor RCS and gives a big RCS reduction to tejas and adds to tejas’s stealth which is not the case with Mirage.

Above: Inlet cone of Mirage; Below: Y-duct inlet design.

Conclusion: Where Mirage was primarily developed to replace Mirage III it was supposed to be a interceptor and good ground attack capability which are the strong points of mirage but lacks little bit in Air to Air and Stealth capability whereas the LCA was always supposed to be point defense fighter to replace Mig-21 , hence it was supposed to have a well balance of ground attack, Air to Air combat and Stealth. Though LCA lacks in terms of range but thats a trade off between aerodynamics, stealth and attack capability just like the Mirage which does just the reverse. It’s all matter of priorities. The following points proves that LCA is not copy of Mirage-2000 either!

I found this on quora

Just got ammo detonated in a NM, I’ve seen enough from this world

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“Uncitadellable American Battleships”

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okay? yall dont even have airliners anyways

And of course it was a couple of 14-Inch Kongo shells

It’s always Kongo

I’ve seen enough

Confused Joe Biden GIF by CBS News

Short Answer:

No Tejas Mk1, Mk1a and Mk2 all of these are not copies of Mirage-2000 or any other plane which exist in the world this design has been made and matured by ADA on it’s own and no reverse engineering has been done in order to make Tejas fighter jets.

Long Answer:

Well many people consider Tejas Mk1 to be a copy of Mirage 2000 but we must take a look a vey important fact that Mirage 2000 is a MVF plane while Tejas is a LCA plane so as it na we can’t copy a MVF and make it a LCA plane to the assumption can be declared as null and void from the start.

Now to understand that why there people think that Mirage 2000 and Tejas are same let us first take a look at both the planes:

Tejas

Mirage-2000

So what do you notice do they look the same? yes they look the same as they are delta wing fighters so their basic structure would be looking similar and many people confuse this to be copying.

We also need to understand another thing that whenever you copy a plane or copy a design of a plane you would have no control over the design of the plane you have not made it and hence you would lack the basic internal structure of the plane hence no control law of the plane would be know to you which means that you won’t be able to upgrade or do anything more with the plane.

But in the case of Tejas the plane was modified to make a naval variant also with has LEVICONS and the under belly was made more hard and it’s landing gear was also hardened, arrestor hooks were made etc and it’s fly by wire was upgraded so that it could perform an auto take off and landing from an aircraft carrier.

We are also making Tejas Mk2 which is based on the basic design of Tejas Mk1 and would be a MVF plane and a higher configuration of Tejas Mk1a would also be made which proves that the plane is not copied.

Conclusion:

So from this we conclude that all such reports that Tejas is a copy of Mirage-2000 is false as we have time and again upgraded Tejas and more plane are being made out of the plane. Even if it would have been copied then we would have seen some disappointment from Dassault aviation and they would have thought twice before selling us, but we all know the reality.

Now if you people are wondering what’s copied jets look like then see this:

J-10

IAI Lavi

Another nice one I found on quora

imma go sleep now

It’s not very hard to dispute the claim that the Tejas was copying the 2000

But instead it steals a bit of everything from everyone

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Wait just a minute, that’s illegal:

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I’m 2.5 hours ahead of you

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